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	<title>Comments on: You can&#8217;t go back to college again</title>
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		<title>By: sim</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh ok, thanks for the link!
it probably does keep a track of what you browse, just like Google's personalised search. It had stored every site I'd visited after searching for like the last 5 months. It was very cool to go back and see what all I'd requested.

The sad thing about iTunes though, is that I can't buy anything!!!
I'm in India and they don't have a store here yet, so I have to wait a while....

Chrisitan, one of the guys who I'm going to be starting Die Wortklauber with, did something really nice. He gave me his home address in Switzerland, so that I could sign up with iTunes to at least receive gifts. Damn them iTunes for not coming here, I do live in the country with the second largest population in the world! If only they all connected to the internet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh ok, thanks for the link!<br />
it probably does keep a track of what you browse, just like Google&#8217;s personalised search. It had stored every site I&#8217;d visited after searching for like the last 5 months. It was very cool to go back and see what all I&#8217;d requested.</p>
<p>The sad thing about iTunes though, is that I can&#8217;t buy anything!!!<br />
I&#8217;m in India and they don&#8217;t have a store here yet, so I have to wait a while&#8230;.</p>
<p>Chrisitan, one of the guys who I&#8217;m going to be starting Die Wortklauber with, did something really nice. He gave me his home address in Switzerland, so that I could sign up with iTunes to at least receive gifts. Damn them iTunes for not coming here, I do live in the country with the second largest population in the world! If only they all connected to the internet!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wir sind alle über 40 is at:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=19531568&#38;s=143441&#38;i=19531492

I'l note that I could not find it, or Herbert Gronemeyer's Mensch, which I also wanted, but I was browsing a lot of German Pop music, even browsed the Germany store,  and suddenly one day I could find both of the others.  I think there's some intelligent software that figures out what your preferences are.

Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wir sind alle über 40 is at:</p>
<p><a href="http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=19531568&amp;s=143441&amp;i=19531492" rel="nofollow">http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=19531568&amp;s=143441&amp;i=19531492</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;l note that I could not find it, or Herbert Gronemeyer&#8217;s Mensch, which I also wanted, but I was browsing a lot of German Pop music, even browsed the Germany store,  and suddenly one day I could find both of the others.  I think there&#8217;s some intelligent software that figures out what your preferences are.</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>By: sim</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's probably like that for my mother. One day she's in school and a few years down the line, her son graduates  high-school....

I searhed iTunes, I can't find it.

Could you please right click the song and choose "Copy iTunes Music Store URL" and paste it here?
Here's the link to the Word Nerds in iTunes: &lt;a HREF="http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=74362633" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Word Nerds&lt;/A&gt;
(http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=74362633)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably like that for my mother. One day she&#8217;s in school and a few years down the line, her son graduates  high-school&#8230;.</p>
<p>I searhed iTunes, I can&#8217;t find it.</p>
<p>Could you please right click the song and choose &#8220;Copy iTunes Music Store URL&#8221; and paste it here?<br />
Here&#8217;s the link to the Word Nerds in iTunes: <a HREF="http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=74362633" rel="nofollow">The Word Nerds</a><br />
(http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=74362633)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sim, I got the song off iTunes, so I don't have a link per se. 

And it is amazing how soon after being a kid you find yourself preparing for your youngest child's college graduation.

Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sim, I got the song off iTunes, so I don&#8217;t have a link per se. </p>
<p>And it is amazing how soon after being a kid you find yourself preparing for your youngest child&#8217;s college graduation.</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>By: sim</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Der Spiegel lacht wenn er mich sieht.
Was hast du dir da weggenschminkt?
Ein graues Haar tut doch nicht weh,
es sagt dir nur, dass du noch lebst.&lt;/I&gt;

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Sehr schön! Was für eine Strophe. Sie hat mir sehr gut gefallen.

I'll go and listen to the song.

It really makes you think. This life doesn't really seem that long. One minute your a kid playing cricket with your friends in the garden and the next your all grown up and struggling with you education and what you want to do with your life. But the fact that we have the time and the patience to think about such things itself implies that our lives are actually long enough. According to me, one must just go on not thinking about the future or the past, just living and moving on. It's the only way we can stay peaceful and not be bothered by all of this. And honestly, I don't see why we should be.........

PS: I couldn't find the song. Julie, could you please post the link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Der Spiegel lacht wenn er mich sieht.<br />
Was hast du dir da weggenschminkt?<br />
Ein graues Haar tut doch nicht weh,<br />
es sagt dir nur, dass du noch lebst.</i></p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Sehr schön! Was für eine Strophe. Sie hat mir sehr gut gefallen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go and listen to the song.</p>
<p>It really makes you think. This life doesn&#8217;t really seem that long. One minute your a kid playing cricket with your friends in the garden and the next your all grown up and struggling with you education and what you want to do with your life. But the fact that we have the time and the patience to think about such things itself implies that our lives are actually long enough. According to me, one must just go on not thinking about the future or the past, just living and moving on. It&#8217;s the only way we can stay peaceful and not be bothered by all of this. And honestly, I don&#8217;t see why we should be&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>PS: I couldn&#8217;t find the song. Julie, could you please post the link?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-34</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that was incomplete.

I meant that the song above reflects that Baby-Boomer holding onto youth thing.  It's almost an anthem to that generation. For you young whippersnappers, I think you may have gotten it from us.  I see the same in the generations that follow us, and in my kids, but I think that my parents' generation was much more serious about adulthood.  While of course aging will bring with it some looking back and regrets, my parents never acted as if they saw themselves as continually young.  I was in my late thirties, with teenaged kids, before I really began to see myself as "grown up" and I still like to encourage that "kid inside.".  I don't think my parents' generation did that. 

I do think the generations after me do, though.  I am pretty sure, that this is a good thing, because we are holding onto a certain creativity and openness much longer in our lives, and I think that is good.  

Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that was incomplete.</p>
<p>I meant that the song above reflects that Baby-Boomer holding onto youth thing.  It&#8217;s almost an anthem to that generation. For you young whippersnappers, I think you may have gotten it from us.  I see the same in the generations that follow us, and in my kids, but I think that my parents&#8217; generation was much more serious about adulthood.  While of course aging will bring with it some looking back and regrets, my parents never acted as if they saw themselves as continually young.  I was in my late thirties, with teenaged kids, before I really began to see myself as &#8220;grown up&#8221; and I still like to encourage that &#8220;kid inside.&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t think my parents&#8217; generation did that. </p>
<p>I do think the generations after me do, though.  I am pretty sure, that this is a good thing, because we are holding onto a certain creativity and openness much longer in our lives, and I think that is good.  </p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight I downloaded (via iTunes) the Brunner &#38; Brunner album "Mitten im Meer" and in the process translated for my husband the lyrics to their song "Wir sind alle über vierzig".  Note that today because it really fits this theme.   It almost deserves to be the current music for this thread:

Der Spiegel lacht wenn er mich sieht.
Was hast du dir da weggenschminkt?
Ein graues Haar tut doch nicht weh,
es sagt dir nur, dass du noch lebst.

Wir sind alle über vierzig, haben im Leben nichts vermisst.
Tiefe Spuren in unsren Herzen, tausend Sünden im Gesicht.
Die nächste hundert Jahre, die liegen noch vor uns,
Wir sind alle noch am Leben.

Ein Glas zu viel, das schadet nicht,
denn manchmal braucht die Seele Licht.
Wir drehen auf, hauen auf den Tisch.
Es ist egal, wie alt du bist.

Wir sind alle über vierzig, u.s.w. . . .

Die Zeit vergeht; so wie der Wind zieht sie vorbei.
Kannst sie verleben, denn du fängst sie niemals ein.
Wir bleiben jung, solang die Leidenschaft noch lebt.
solang in uns sich noch was regt.

Wir sind alle zuuber vierzig, u.s.w. . . 

I love this song.

Julie Holm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight I downloaded (via iTunes) the Brunner &amp; Brunner album &#8220;Mitten im Meer&#8221; and in the process translated for my husband the lyrics to their song &#8220;Wir sind alle über vierzig&#8221;.  Note that today because it really fits this theme.   It almost deserves to be the current music for this thread:</p>
<p>Der Spiegel lacht wenn er mich sieht.<br />
Was hast du dir da weggenschminkt?<br />
Ein graues Haar tut doch nicht weh,<br />
es sagt dir nur, dass du noch lebst.</p>
<p>Wir sind alle über vierzig, haben im Leben nichts vermisst.<br />
Tiefe Spuren in unsren Herzen, tausend Sünden im Gesicht.<br />
Die nächste hundert Jahre, die liegen noch vor uns,<br />
Wir sind alle noch am Leben.</p>
<p>Ein Glas zu viel, das schadet nicht,<br />
denn manchmal braucht die Seele Licht.<br />
Wir drehen auf, hauen auf den Tisch.<br />
Es ist egal, wie alt du bist.</p>
<p>Wir sind alle über vierzig, u.s.w. . . .</p>
<p>Die Zeit vergeht; so wie der Wind zieht sie vorbei.<br />
Kannst sie verleben, denn du fängst sie niemals ein.<br />
Wir bleiben jung, solang die Leidenschaft noch lebt.<br />
solang in uns sich noch was regt.</p>
<p>Wir sind alle zuuber vierzig, u.s.w. . . </p>
<p>I love this song.</p>
<p>Julie Holm</p>
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		<title>By: Get Simple</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 05:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
Wherever you are and you recount on your youth you always feel the twinges of time, but the good thingis you have it all to look back on and remember.  Hey tomorrows another day and time to make another memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Wherever you are and you recount on your youth you always feel the twinges of time, but the good thingis you have it all to look back on and remember.  Hey tomorrows another day and time to make another memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kosara</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kosara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can feel old no matter how old you really are. I'm 30, and since I'm back to university (teaching at UNC Charlotte), I also feel rather old at times. When I was still in Vienna (the one in Austria, not in Virginia ;), I was really shocked when the students started using the &lt;I&gt;Sie&lt;/I&gt; instead of the &lt;I&gt;Du&lt;/I&gt;. I always felt as being one of them, not of the faculty "establishment" (in Vienna I wasn't, I just taught as a hobby).

This lack of "feeling like a grown-up" isn't just a Baby Boomer thing, I think that many people of my age feel like that too. There's just nothing anymore that forces us to behave so differently, or that would define adulthood in a way that was there perhaps several generations ago.

This probably also has to do with a general lack of orientation that we are now facing. Our roles just aren't as clearly defined anymore. And that's not just a gender thing, but also influences what we think we are supposed to do or stand for at different phases of our lives.

We can now decide for ourselves. That's wonderful, but it's also more work and we have to find out what we want to be for ourselves, too.

I don't think there's anything wrong with perceiving yourself as younger than you are. I would even say that that's a great thing. Don't give it up just because of that old man looking at you in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can feel old no matter how old you really are. I&#8217;m 30, and since I&#8217;m back to university (teaching at UNC Charlotte), I also feel rather old at times. When I was still in Vienna (the one in Austria, not in Virginia ;), I was really shocked when the students started using the <i>Sie</i> instead of the <i>Du</i>. I always felt as being one of them, not of the faculty &#8220;establishment&#8221; (in Vienna I wasn&#8217;t, I just taught as a hobby).</p>
<p>This lack of &#8220;feeling like a grown-up&#8221; isn&#8217;t just a Baby Boomer thing, I think that many people of my age feel like that too. There&#8217;s just nothing anymore that forces us to behave so differently, or that would define adulthood in a way that was there perhaps several generations ago.</p>
<p>This probably also has to do with a general lack of orientation that we are now facing. Our roles just aren&#8217;t as clearly defined anymore. And that&#8217;s not just a gender thing, but also influences what we think we are supposed to do or stand for at different phases of our lives.</p>
<p>We can now decide for ourselves. That&#8217;s wonderful, but it&#8217;s also more work and we have to find out what we want to be for ourselves, too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with perceiving yourself as younger than you are. I would even say that that&#8217;s a great thing. Don&#8217;t give it up just because of that old man looking at you in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://davesmidlife.com/2006/01/07/you-cant-go-back-to-college-again/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, forgot to sign that.

Julie Holm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, forgot to sign that.</p>
<p>Julie Holm</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I think you're right about Baby Boomers hanging on to that young adulthood.  When we were really young adults, in the 60s and 70s we were such a force, and the headiness of our  youth has defined so much of our lives.   I think we're not totally sure that the rest of our lives really have lived up to that time when we idealistically believed that we could change the world.

And it does not seem to matter if we were really part of it.  I had a baby at age 19, and never was part of the great protests and happenings of the time, but I still feel like part of it.

About 8 years ago, when my brother got married in Elmira, New York, I traveled back to the University of Rochester, which I attended for a year and a half in the late 70s and early 80s. It was wonderful to go back and have all those experiences, but I  too felt really old there.  And this was at the same time as I was a graduate student at George Mason University.

I think, Sim, you're right that you can't go back, but I think that what Dave is talking about is a little more, well, existential.  It's about self image, and the difference between the young self image and the much older reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I think you&#8217;re right about Baby Boomers hanging on to that young adulthood.  When we were really young adults, in the 60s and 70s we were such a force, and the headiness of our  youth has defined so much of our lives.   I think we&#8217;re not totally sure that the rest of our lives really have lived up to that time when we idealistically believed that we could change the world.</p>
<p>And it does not seem to matter if we were really part of it.  I had a baby at age 19, and never was part of the great protests and happenings of the time, but I still feel like part of it.</p>
<p>About 8 years ago, when my brother got married in Elmira, New York, I traveled back to the University of Rochester, which I attended for a year and a half in the late 70s and early 80s. It was wonderful to go back and have all those experiences, but I  too felt really old there.  And this was at the same time as I was a graduate student at George Mason University.</p>
<p>I think, Sim, you&#8217;re right that you can&#8217;t go back, but I think that what Dave is talking about is a little more, well, existential.  It&#8217;s about self image, and the difference between the young self image and the much older reality.</p>
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		<title>By: sim</title>
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		<dc:creator>sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You feel like this when you go back to College. I feel the same way when I go back to school. I feel too old too. Out of place. Like I ought to be doing my thing elsewhere or something. School was such fun, I really miss it, but I'm also happy with my life today. It's just that every time I think about those years, I get flooded with memories, mostly good ones and I feel nostalgic and want to go back. But that's the thing, I can't and you, Dave can't either. We just have to go on doing what we have/want to and try and make the days we are currently experiencing fun and happy. That is but my opinion and nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You feel like this when you go back to College. I feel the same way when I go back to school. I feel too old too. Out of place. Like I ought to be doing my thing elsewhere or something. School was such fun, I really miss it, but I&#8217;m also happy with my life today. It&#8217;s just that every time I think about those years, I get flooded with memories, mostly good ones and I feel nostalgic and want to go back. But that&#8217;s the thing, I can&#8217;t and you, Dave can&#8217;t either. We just have to go on doing what we have/want to and try and make the days we are currently experiencing fun and happy. That is but my opinion and nothing more.</p>
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